Esau & Edom is Islam

From the beginning instructions concerning relationships between man and his Elohim and this word means more than one. For us to think that these instructions where not given before creation and confirmed, would be to say Elohim, simply threw the seed of man out as grass seed. Then we would become like the evil of this world for with out guiding instruction man would devour man and what would be left, weed seeds good for nothing, that would in effect be saying without order and love these two represent laws that are good for man. From the Hebrew scriptures this Elohim says I do not change the same yesterday today and forever I change not. And again saying I keep my covenant even when you, man break them, for I am Elohim and not man.

For someone to come and say that they have a new revelation or uncovering is to make this Elohim a liar. And saying this would imply that this Elohim is weak and cannot fulfill or bring to pass his word. This would mean that He needs mans help, to complete His plan. Yet we are made from dirt and will return to dirt, no man has ascended to heaven or hell. These things are pure pagan teachings going back to Nimrod and Egypt. It is a pure concept of man and who he would like to be, so through religions, men (weed seed) beguile the uneducated and educated to control and reap elevation in their eyes and for this purpose these seed are allowed for times. It is up to Elohim and the good seed to live in the Torah and when the seed of wickedness comes before men it must be destroyed. At some point in time these people will have fulfilled their purpose in the creation, what might that be? To reveal the good seed that will hate evil Psalm 139:21-22, and destroy these weed seeds when they arise. Right ruling from men who walk straight in justice must never assume one can trust these people, a liar they are and will tell you what you want to hear, when one ask a question of these people, one may as well answer that question for himself for you will hear what you wanted to hear, to you and your own children's hurt. John 8:44 to verse 51, For liars are murders and there is no good in them. We can look to history and observe that men degrade into error and self interest, losing any good, and truth mixed with error has been a hallmark of time.

We know that the Torah was before creation, as the angels sinned and to sin one has to walk contrary to instructions established by the Elohim of creation.

ALL the religions of the world have in affect rejected the Torah-instructions, given to the first two humans, how can we say this? He Elohim walked with them, and to walk one must be in agreement, that means with knowledge and understanding and the right use of these two bring wisdom in your life.

For a people of a religion coming some 4600 years from creation with a new instruction book among the other religions and claiming to be a prophet and from the Elohim of creation, is to say that the Creator of man is incompetent and uncaring, for He has allowed His creation to wonder among all the religions of man without directions or instructions-Torah for 4600 years. This is the origin of a cruel and hateful religion from the Edomites-Arabic peoples.

Now let us look into the history of this event and establish the matter on firm rules that all can understand. The simplest of instruction or law for this would be from the Torah, 4600 years before the writings of this prophet. Devarim-Deut. 18:15, Acts 7:37, YHVH YOUR ELOHIM would raise up a prophet from your brothers like Moshe from your midst. This would mean from Yisrael, not Edom, and like me, one who walks in Torah. Devarim 12:30, donít become ensnared to follow after their elohim, for every disgusting thing they have done in these nations, around the land of Yisrael-covenant land (This means these very people).

Yeshayahu-Isaiah 8:20, To the Torah and the Testimony-"words of the Prophets", if they do not speak according to these words, there is no light in them. This word light comes from the light at dawn of a new day, meaning you are not going to see by their words.

This alone would mark their prophet as false and speaking on his own. For YHVH Elohim says, I change not for I am the same yesterday, today and for ever. Now if a new thing comes, they would be deceiving spirits in a human mouth or YHVH Elohim has lied. Now that would place the creation in the hands of confusion and YHVH said he is not the author of confusion, that would be s.a.tan.

The thought that the Elohim of Yisrael would not be able to fulfill His word and to have the ability to bring it about in his time, assumes His creation is in a hopeless situation, for we all die, and now what? Look to His word it says to wait and we his people, keep My words, for in the day of My choosing I will judge the nations and of My people I will save, Yisrael. All who see and understand may enter into Yisrael by obeying Torah, taking hold of Yahshua, even Edomites.

"In Reviewing the history of the past 1400 years, where did Edom's religion, and forms of worship originate? Quoting from John Lord, LL. D.,Volume 3, Part 1, The Middle Ages, copyrighted 1883 and again in 1921 by Wm. H. Wise & Co., Inc. The Saracen conquest page 25, In examining the religious systems of Arabia in the age preceding the advent of their Prophet, it would seem that the most prominent of them were the old doctrines of the Magians and Sabaeans blended with a gross idolatry and a senseless polytheism. Whatever may have been the faith of the ancients Sabaean sages, who noted the aspects of the stars, and supposed they were inhabited by angles placed there by Almighty power to supervise and govern the universe, yet history seems to record that this ancient faith was practically subverted, and that the stars, where were supposed to dwell deities to whom prayers were made, became themselves objects of worship, and even graven images were made in honor of them. Among the Arabs each tribe worshipped a particular star, and set up its particular idol, so that a degrading polytheism was the religion of the land. The object of greatest veneration was the celebrated Black Stone, at Mecca, fabled to have fallen from heaven at the time with Adam. Over this stone was built the Kaabah, a small oblong stone building, around which has been built the great mosque. It was ornamented with three hundred and sixty idols (one for each ancient day). And to it resorted innumerable pilgrims bringing precious offerings. It was like the shrine of Delphi (of ancient Greece), as a source of profit to its fortunate guardians. True there were other religions, also many Jews at Medina, and a corrupted form of Christianity in many places, split up into hostile and wrangling sects. And more over he accommodated his fasts and feasts and holidays and pilgrimages to the old customs of the people, thereby teaching lessons of worldly wisdom (in the first century the group called Christians had done the same). Astarte, the old object Sabaean idolatry, was particularly worshipped on a Friday; and this day was made the Mohammedan Sabbath. Again the month Rhamadan, from time immemorial, had been set apart for fasting's; this month the Prophet adopted, declaring that in it he received his first revelations. Pilgrimages to the Black Stone in Mecca were perpetuated. Thus he, after his flight accommodated his doctrines to the customs and tastes of his countrymen,--- blending with the sublime truths he declared subtitles and pernicious errors. He adapted his religion to the passion and habits of the people in order that they might more readily be led to accept it, he had listened to that wicked voice which appeared in the guise of an angle of light (s.a.tan).

And it is thus that s.a.tan has contrived to pervert the best institutions of the world. The moment good men look to outward and superficial triumphs, to the disregard of inward purity, that moment do they accept the seductive lie of all ages,--" the end justifies the means.

The worse thing the prophet did in order to gain his end was to make use of the sword. For thirteen years he appealed to conscience. Now he makes it an inducement for men to fight for his great idea.

"Different prophets,? Said he, in his memorable manifesto, "have been sent by Elohim to illustrate His different attributes: Moses, His providence; Solomon, His wisdom: Christ, His righteousness; but I, the last of the prophets, am sent with the sword. Let those who promulgate my faith enter into no arguments or discussions, but slay all who refuse obedience. Who ever fights for the true faith, whether he falls or conquers, will assuredly receive a glorious reward, for the sword is the key of heaven. (the sword in the Hebrew writings means Torah our judge) All who draw it in defense of the faith shall receive temporal and future rewards. Every drop of blood, every peril and hardship, will be registered on high as more meritorious than fasting or prayer. If they fall in battle their sins will be washed away, and they shall be transported into Paradise, to revel in eternal pleasures, in the arms of black-eyed houris, (maidens of paradise) Thus did he stimulate the martial fanaticism of a warlike and heroic people with the promise of future happiness. What a monstrous expediency,-- worse than all the combined usurpations of the popes! And what was the results? A mighty stimulus and successive conquest of the Saracens, never were conquests more rapid and more terrible."

Why has this religion prevailed victorious for more than a thousand years? First, we must conclude that the external triumph of a religion, especially among ignorant or wicked people, is not so much owing to the purity and loftiness of its truths, as to its harmony with prevailing errors and corruption. When Mohammed preached his sublimest doctrines, and appealed to reason and conscience, he converted about a score of people in thirteen years. When he invoked demoralizing passions, he converted all Arabia in eleven years. The conclusion can be confirmed by the whole history of mankind.

(I John Lord) ,"speak simply of the marvelous similarity which the spread and triumph of Mohammedanism seem to bear to the spread and triumph of what is corrupt and wicked in all institutions and religions since the fall of man. Everywhere it is the frivolous, the corrupt, the false, which seem to be most prevalent and most popular. Do men love truth, or readily accept it, when it conflicts with passions and interests? Is any truth popular which is arrayed against the pride of reason? When has pure moral truth ever been fashionable? When have its advocates not been reviled, slandered, misrepresented, and persecuted, if it has interfered with the domination of prevailing interests? (so it is darkness that men love). When and where have not lies and sophistries and hypocrisies reigned? I appeal to history".

Also we find these historical records in more detail in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire By Edward Gibbon chapter 50, Library of Congress Catalog card Number: 60-12732, an abridgement by D. M. Low. John Lord sights several more historical references, Essai sur L'Histoire des Arabs; Forster's Mahometanism Unveiled; Life and religion of Mohammed, Translated from the Persian, by I.L.Merrick.

Let us look at something of the right ruling contained in the book of instructions, concerning stealing. The instruction in Torah say that the thief shall return what has been stolen and to add a portion to it Ex 22:1-15. And if they be not able to restore the stolen item he is to be sold to repay according to the Judges Deut. 15:12 He is to serve 6 years and go out the 7 year and you shall provide for his return to freedom, and inworking for his master he is being taught how to succeed in life, it mabe that this happens again, again. The Torah implies to us, why did this happen and why did you not help before the stealing. As a people we are our brothers keeper in time of need. It is in man that he can steal and that he will lie to save face, no one is holy.

The simples of laws leave no room for man to betray the intent contained in the instruction related to obedience.

1. I AM YHVH Who brought you out of Egypt-Mitzryim-land of destress.

2. Bring no other elohim before my Faces. (Do not make images or idols to worship.)

3. Do not make my name worthless.

4. Guard the Shabbath Day.

5. Honor your Father and Mother.

6. Do not murder.

7. Do not commit adultery.

8. Do not steal.

9. Do not lie.

10.Do not covet or lust.

Number 5 has a promise of long life.

Yod Hey Vav Hey Elohim Malachi 3:6 and Hebrews 13:8, has not changed and this time, is a time of testing in the later days with Edom and his religion in the nations displaying evil in its purest form, deception from s.a.tan. Devarim-Deuteronomy 13:1-5, All the words that I am commanding you, these take heed to do, you shall not add to these words and do not take away from these words. If arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign comes to pass, or the wonder which he foretold to you, and saying, 'let us go after other elohim which you have not known, and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams, for YHVH your Elohim is testing you, to know whether you are of the ones who love YHVH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

ONE, Of the most important things to remember: If your god-elohim needs your help in anything, you have not a god-elohim, but a demonic spirit influencing your spirit. You may only be safe in your action by checking the instructions-Torah, ten words from Yod Hey Vav Hey Elohim.

In the Outline of History by H. G. Wells volume 2; "One may ask how is it possible that this religion spread so rapidly throughout, the Persian, Roman, Hellenistic, and Egyptian civilizations, their social and cultural traditions being broken down and decayed, not deluding yourself about these prior to Islam. These had declined into political apathetic people robbed, oppressed, bullied, uneducated, and unorganized and it found selfish and unsound governments out of touch with its people. It presented a new government, fresh political ideas and then Islam began to fade as the people lost faith in the sincerity and representation of its leaders.

After the death of their prophet the Bedouin aristocrats of Mecca dominated the new empire, Abu Bekr, the first Caliph, was in an informal shouting way elected at Medina, and so were Omar I and Othman, the third Caliph, but all three were Meccans of good family. They were not men of Medina, And though Abu Bekr and Omar were men of stark simplicity and righteousness, Othman was of a baser quality, a man quite in the vein of those silk robes to whom conquest was not conquest for Allah but for Arabia, especially for Mecca in Arabia, and more particularly for himself and for the Meccans and for his family the Omayyads.

The rule and death of Othhman brought out the consequences of Muhammad's weaknesses as clearly as the lives of Abu Bekr and Omar had witnessed to the divine fire in his teaching. Muhammad had been political at times, when Abu Bekr would have been firm, and the new element of aristocratic greediness that came in with Othman was one fruit of those political movements. And the legacy of that carelessly compiled harem of the Prophet, the family complications and jealousies which had lurked in the background of Moslem affairs during the rule of the first two Caliph was now coming out into the light of day. Ali who was the nephew, the adopted son and the son-in-law of the Prophet-he was the husband of the Prophet's daughter Fatima-had considered himself the rightful Caliph. His claim formed an undertow to the resentment of Medina and of the rival families of Mecca against the advancement of the Omayyads. But Ayesha, the favourite wife of the Prophet, had always been jealous of Fatima and hostile to Ali. She supported Othman... The splendid opening of the story of Islam collapses suddenly into this squalid dispute and bickering of heirs and widows.

In 656 Othman, an old man of eighty, was stoned in the streets of Medina by a mob, chased to his house, and murdered; and Ali became at last Caliph only to be murdered in his turn 661. In one of the battles in this civil war, Ayesha, now a gallant mischievous old lady, distinguished herself by leading a charge, mounted on a camel. She was taken prisoner and treated well.

While the armies of Islam were advancing triumphantly to the conquest of the world, this sickness of civil war smote at its head. What was the rule of Allah in the world to Ayesha when she could score off the detested Fatima, and what heed were the Omayyads and the partisians of Ali likely to take of the unity of mankind when they have a good hot feud of this sort to entertain them, with the caliphate as a prize? The world of Islam was rent in twain by the spites, greed's, and partisan silliness of a handful of men and women in Medina. That quarrel still lives to this day. One main division of the Moslems, the shiites, maintain the hereditary right of Ali to be Caliph "as an article of faith!" They prevail in Persia and India.

But an equally important section, Sunnites, with whom it is difficult for a disinterested observer not to agree, deny this peculiar addendum to Muhammad's simple creed. So far as we can gather at this length of time, Ali was an entirely commonplace individual.

To watch this schism creeping across the brave beginnings of Islam is like watching a case of softening of the brain. To the copious literature of the subject we must refer the reader who wishes to learn how Hasan, the son of Ali, was poisoned by his wife, and how Husein, his brother, was killed. We do name them here, because they still afford a large section of mankind's scope for sentimental partisanship and mutual annoyance. They are the two chief Shiite Martyrs. Amidst the coming and going of their conflicts the old Kaaba at Mecca was burned down, and naturally there began endless disputation on how to rebuild... But as this history now degenerates into the normal crimes and intrigues of an Oriental dynasty, the student of history will realize a third fundamental weakness,... he was an illiterate Arab, ignorant of history, totally ignorant of all the political experiences of Rome and Greece, and almost as ignorant of the real history of Judea; and he left his followers with no scheme for a stable government. In the end it's rulers were men who were vigorous and unscrupulous enough to snatch and hold the caliphate... and, subject to revolts and assassinations, its final law has been that's mans will."

Only since the 1900 has Islam began to show a peaceful side, for they realized that the western mind would not accept the sword. Now there are two means of promoting their religion, but in each case it turns to violence when they have reached a level of power to instigate an uprising and later a revolt to take power, "and" their names are infatada and jihad nothing changes with Islam.

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In 1899 Winston Churchhill spoke about Islam:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries (some one bound by religious beliefs). Besides the fanatical frency,which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog (1. fear of water 2. rabies), there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its race and refinement the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual moslem may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, (state of dying) Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civlization of the modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Source: The River War, 1st ed, Vol.II, p. 248-250, London.

Yeshayahu-Isaiah 34:1-17 The end of Edomites and the people of My curse verse 5 and 6. The listing of animales refer to spirits. And chapter 35 reveals a time of peace with these people removed. Yirmeyahu-Jeremiah 7-27 against Edom, and Yechezkel-Ezekiel 35:1-15, then Ovadyah-Obadiah all

From Yeshayahu-Isaiah 46:10-13 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient time things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand. This scripture tells us that YHVH has placed the end "the base", not in Revelation but in Resheet-Genesis. From the Interlinear-Resheet-Genesis 27:39-40 The Blessing from Yitzchak-Isaac for Esau, "Behold from the fat of the land shall be your dwelling and of the dew of heaven from above. By your sword you shall live and you shall serve your brother and it shall come to pass, when you fight, that you shall break his yoke from your neck."and hated Jacob because of the blessing. Meaning he Esau is going to have in the latter days, dominion, breaking out of his land, rule with power. Nachum-Nahum 1-2:4 The days of vengeance on Esau and those with him in the land, and verse 13 and now his-Esau's yoke is broken from you-Yisrael. Ahmos-Amos 1:11 Esau is Edom Yeshayahu-Isaiah 10:24-27 and 14:24-27 Assyrian these are the people of Iran and surounding lands today, Different from Syria or Armenia north of Yisrael, the land of the wives of the fathers of Yisrael.

Now one must understand that the northern tribes of Yisrael became known as Ephraim-Yisrael scattered. We find these people in the sunday religious system. All these tribes are present in both houses of Judah and Ephraim, and represent the major influence of each house. Hoshea-Hosea 13:12-13, the iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin (sunday system) is hidden.The pains of a woman in travail (tumult) shall come to him, he is a son not wise, for the time not does he understand the breaking out of the sons.Yaakov-Jacob's brother Esau-Edom has broken forth, to spread his cruel hateful religion on all of the earth through his sons "descendants", by their sword. Also hidden from Ephraim is the true way to walk according to the Torah, not the sunday religious systems of our world. Following Torah frees us in our relationship with our fellow man, and gives us right rulings for setting us back on the way to walk. Torah only has blessings for obedience and cursings for disobedience of Torah-instructions. Ba Midbar-Numbers 24:17-25, the prophecy of the coming Scepter-Ruler in Yisrael and deliverance in the land, verse 17 the destruction of the sons of tumult-meaning "disruptive", characterized by unrest or disorder, insuboardination "effects of the struggle will be violent and disruptive", riotous times "verse 23 who shall stand in the day that YHVH does this" people of Yisrael may also be in this group. I have used the Interlinear for the correct translation of the Hebrew, so you will see some words are different. The sons that are referred to in Hoshea-Hosea 13, are the sons of Edom which means adamah-earth, and are the people who look only with their physical eyes, disreguarding the unseen-spirit realm, and known also as the sons of wickedness. The location of the leading nations of these people are the surrounding nations of the covenant land of Yisrael, 2nd. Schmuel-Samuel 7:10 and Divre Hayamim Alef-1Chronicles 17:9 these scriptures show yisrael in a differnt land in peace in our day.

There is also this added scripture from Yeshayahu-Isaiah 37:3, of the Qumran Scroll, And they said to him ["they" refers to verse 2, then sent Hezekiah Eliakim and Shevnah and the father of the elders of the kohen-preists to Yeshayahu-Isaiah] Thus says Hezekiah today is a day of sorrow, trouble and blasphemy because sons have come to a breaking forth and there is no strength to bear. This would imply that Hezekiah understood Resheet-Genesis 27:39-40 and equated to his time also Hoshea-Hosea 13:12-13 the time of coming captivity of the northern tribes and their dispersion, in all of these scriptures they apply to the time we are in and the end of the power of the sons of wickedness. This is not going to happen with out great termoil in the covenant eretz-land. Devarim-Deuteronomy 32:31, They (Arab's) will not give up their rock, which really is a rock. Yisrael's Rock is a Rock of Kadosh-Set Apart Spirit Yeshayahu-Isaiah, 26:3-4, Yahoshuah, where Yah is Salvation, or YHVH is Salvation. Read on through the scriptures of Yeshayahu-Isaiah from 37 thru chapter 41. The Arab-Edomit and his religion are wickedness see Malachi 1:2 through 4, and are called the sons of wickedness.

Have you ever questioned the origin of the Arab garments worn by their women and where is it located. Mishle-Proverbs 7:10 And there a woman met him in the attire of a harlot and a crafty heart. Where is this attire described? Beresheet-Genesis 38:15 Judah saw her, and though her to be an harlot, because she had veiled-covered her face, Hebrew word is to fill the void. And in :19 and she went her way and laid her vail aside from her, here the word means veil or head covering, a different Hebrew word. And verse :21 Ask about the harlot, the men said no, not in this place, this statement by these men is in the emphatic. The only way this woman is thought to be a harlot would be to cover her body and head yet leave the eyes open to view the man and he would have no clue whom he was with, from the physical appearance. Thus we see the origin of the female Arab garment.

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